But he was rather frail and in his eighties and I just accepted that perhaps you know, he'd had a hard life in, in some way, and hadn't really resolved it.

Anyway, I left the house and went back to the office, wrote up the interview and didn't think any more about it.

And then about a week later, I got a phone call from him saying that he thought he'd left out some important things about himself (Really?) that I should know, and would I go and see him again.

So I explained that it was a survey that we were doing and that it wasn't really very usual to go back and see somebody a second time. But if he felt it was really important then, of couse, I would go. (Yeah)

So I went along and exactly the same thing happened as had happened before. He showed me into the back room and he started grumbling again and this went on about half an hour and I began to wonder why on earth he'd asked me to go back a second time.

He didn't tell you anything new about himself. Well, he... after about half an hour, he started. He said, I, I expect you wonder why I've asked to come back. (Quite) and I said well, as a matter of fact, yes, I do.

So he said, well, I think I should tell you a bit about myself and perhaps explain why I, I seem to have a chip on my shoulder, which took me aback, back a bit, you know.

Anyway, apparently he had come from a family which was really quite well-to-do but not spectacularly rich and his father had a, a small grocery business and had supported his mother and, and his two sisters.

Well, his mother and father both died quite early on his life, and he took over the business (Yes) and it fell to him, of course, to support his two sisters. (Yes)

Well, gradually the, the business began to, to flourish. He opened up new lines in the shops, he bought in some foreign foods and he acquired new premises. He really built the whole thing up.

Well, yes, he didn't become a multi-millionaire or anything like that, but he was certainly very comfortable off.