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Psychology on the other hand, the APA has refused to take that stand they're saying that psychologists being present
心理学，另一方面美国心理学协会拒绝选择立场他们声称，心理学家在场
can mitigate the effects that they can help to er, prevent harm, er, a lot of us don't buy that,
能够减轻危害，他们能够帮助预防危害，我们很多人都不相信
we think it's being done for other reasons that there's tremendous organisational advantage
我们认为，他们这么做还有其他的原因该协会从属于国防部
in being affiliated with the defence department um, that's certainly not acknowledged and
可以带来巨大的组织优势当然，他们并不承认
that's my opinion er as one factor on it but by the day and by the week this is roiling
这只是我个人观点，其中的一个因素但是，随着一天天的过去，人们逐渐意识到
the er Psychology Association even the Anthological, the er American Anthropological Association prohibiting its members from being involved in
心理学协会，甚至美国人类学协会都会禁止它们的会员参与
these kinds of um efforts and many, many people are resigning from the er APA
这种酷刑审讯活动很多很多人就是因为这个原因
because of this and it's very much an unsettled matter.
从心理学系会辞职了这很大程度上还算是个悬而未决的事情
Um, I just wanted to add that part as well.
我想补充这个部分
Er, we'll be available for questions afterward, we'd appreciate your attention.Why don't we do that now if you don't mind?
下面大家可以问问题了谢谢大家如果你不介意的话现在就问问题吧?
OK sure.It'll be like a (Inaudable)It doesn't matter.
好的，没问题.将是,好的，没关系
Ok, and I'll actually take the prerogative and ask the first question if you don't mind?
好的，那我就利用自己的特权问第一个问题，可以吗?
Sure Um, you talk in your presee about the secondary victimisation that one might think
当然可以,你在你的演讲中提到二次伤害，你们可能会认为这会
um would occur to somebody that's doing what you're doing for so long and,
发生在和你一样在这个行业待很久的人身上
and you suggest that um, there's so much hope and admiration that you, that you um gain that there's um,
而你的观点是你从中得到了很大的希望和赞赏，我觉得你甚至认为
I think you say actually outweighs it, but I wonder if you'd talk to us a little bit more about how you do deal with um that,
希望大于痛苦我好奇的是，你能不能给我们多讲一讲，你是怎么处理的呢
that sort of pain on a such a long term basis.
长期过程中处理这种痛苦
Bill Goreman Yeah that's another topic I've presented programmes on.
是的，这是我为这个项目准备的另一个话题
I run a supervision group on Tuesday nights it goes from 7 to about 9:30 for about 7 of the providers and one of the reasons for
我每周二晚上，会主持个指导小组从7点到9点半有7个人，开这个小组的原因
it is to handle the reactions that happen on our side in doing this kind of work.
就是处理和把握我们心理学家的反应我们在做这种工作的反应
